All posts by Amoridere
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@Fraudulent Businessman , which guy was that?
@Grey Lurker , "useless trivia" is all well and good but it's not answering her question. If anything, it's rather irksome.
Some of Minni's confusion is probably because of this line ⬇:
Relatedly, if TV-Tropes has those backed up on the Wayback Machine, would it be acceptable to use those examples? I mean, the examples from the Wayback machine are, for all intents and purposes, were discarded and, by that logic, TV-Tropes can't have too much claim on what the site's admins have chosen to discard from the site.
As for legal issues, someone did say that TVT did get in some legal trouble or, otherwise, consulted with their lawyers about their legal license and so they were made to cool off over it, however, that person's offered no sources to that so take it with a grain of salt.
In short, since those examples on TV-Tropes anymore and since any page archived in the Wayback Machine would (ordinarily) count as "discrarded", would it be okay to use those?
I'm wondering this as well.
Well, of course, TVT is going to have more traffic. I mean, they've been around the longest.
Given some of the policies here on Tropedia, it's going to be more thriving than All the Tropes, as all of our edits don't have to really be approved to be added here, while on ATT, they have to be, which really slows things.
Those are the pages that are edited the most.
@Ashley Entertainment , to answer your question, YES, even more because that trope would be original to Tropedia.
Also, while we're at it, I'd advise that you ignore @Kjnoren and just do what the mods say. If you've got any more questions of this sort, just reach out the moderators directly and I'm certain they'll answer you.
Let's ignore copyright policies (which aren't up to date when it comes to online matters) for a moment and actually talk about licensing.
As we already know, TVT doesn't have the same licensing as All the Tropes and Tropedia and TVT's licensing post-2012 is a reason why certain things are done differently on other of those.
To cycle back into copyright, because TV-Tropes was the origin wiki, they could get All the Tropes and Tropedia potentially shut-down because that's typically how copyright protections tend to go.
To further simplify, it's why Yu-Gi-Oh! cards have a "spirit" card vs Magic card because of Magic the Gathering being here first—That same principle applies to TVT vs All the Tropes and Tropedia.
TVT's admins and moderators are already not fond of the idea of their site being forked, so why give 'em rocks to throw at our haven's windows?
Regardless, I think, at the end of the day, we should listen more so to the mods of this wiki because they're the ones in charge and followin' what they say is keeping our haven from being shut down.
Again, because the trope that OP is proposing is original and not on TVT, they can propose said trope. As for similar tropes, the writings and titles have to be better original to this wiki and ATT's, especially because of licensing.
@Kjnoren , what Janna (when they used to be a mod), told me was that the tropes can't have the same names or close enough to the tropes as they are on TVtropes.
For some more context, a trope I tried to launch was called "Parent Title Characterization" and the one on TV was called "Parental Title Characterization", and it got shot down down on those grounds of the name being too similar.
Because TVT is run by heels, I won't fault 'em for that, tho, I think if the trope was named "What to Call Your Parents" or somethin' like that, it prolly wouldn't have got shot down.
Related to this topic, there's reason why "Disabled by the Adaptation'' is called "Adaptational Disabilities" and "Adaptational Nice Guy" is called "Adaptational Niceness" on Tropedia (or, for that matter, All the Tropes).
Now, as for policy, that might've been policy as far as the True Tropes go but on Tropedia, it was likely always the case that the trope could exist but not by the same name and the exact same description. Speaking of Policy, the mods do get whatever final say they have.
To answer Op's question, yes, you can launch that trope on here because that trope doesn't exist on TV-tropes.
I tried to launch a trope and that got shot down because the naming was very similar to a trope on TVT, so, unless the rules were changed since then, tropes can't really have the same name, otherwise, we get dinged.
And, as far as examples go, they can if says examples are yours and yours alone or ones you have permission to use.
You could try, though, as Min said, you could launch one through the trope workshop, however, to my understanding, the trope names can't be a direct rehash of what you find on TV Tropes (i.e "Let the Past Burn" might be "Burning the Past" on here).
As far as the Trope Workshop goes, it might be that the trope has to have enough examples for it get to launched here.
@Grey Lurker , to be fair, some of that is because there are, unfortunately, kids on this site and the other part is because of how Japanese copyright laws might work. If it's worded like how Wikipedia words things, then it probably won't get dinged.
As for the gatekeeping at TV-Tropes, it's harsh but more arbitrary from what I can tell, in that "Rules for Thee, Not for Me" sense.
As for ATT's gatekeeping, like I said, they prolly used to be more lax but had a influx of spam (especially when they used to host on other websites), leading to what we see currently, so they gatekeep hard but, at least, they ain't as bad as the TVT mods.
As for All the Tropes, my guess is that they've prolly had a serious issue with spam and vandalisms that they upped the security to steroids but damn is it extreme.
As for less contributors, besides bein' limited because of the content, the forks aren't actually as well-known, which is prolly why we have less users and most of the ones that do use it are the ones who got booted.
Well, to be fair, if it were more popular, the wiki would, indeed, get taken down because the mods over there are salty as hell.. If anything, it wasn't meant as a replacement but a haven.
From what I'm aware of, you can only bring your own edits over here and, as far as content goes, what's allowed on Tropedia damn sure isn't allowed on TV-Tropes.
As Minni said, prolly don't really chance that, unless you recreate the page, from scratch with your own edits.
@Grey Lurker , when was that?