All posts by Grey Lurker

Oh, I know all about that. I just think it's not good idea to go into the gory details about that. The wiki is being watched by mysterious watchers.

I've been here when this wiki as known "Tropes Mirror Wiki". I just know a lot seemingly useless trivia.

I suppose I can tell there is a deleted page Ready Jet Go!/Nightmare article at archive.org. I have no intention to revive it but I'll use the archived link as a further example why Tropers seem to have this weird obsession with making toddler shows, darker and edgy.

I recall the TV Tropes database that was copied by a disgrunted ex-troper, maybe Brettlabs. Gave a copy of it to Geth.

Are you saying we should abide by TV Tropes rules in this fork, where there are a lot of people here that got banned from that wiki or just stopped editing TV Tropes just because the lazy and heavy handed moderation?

@Weinhart

Just a nitpick, (https://ahrefs.com/traffic-checker/), somehow becomes: "http://ahrefs.com/traffic-checker/)" when the URL is clicked. I think the "/" or ")" is messing it up somehow.

I think you should do the same for All the Tropes. I've looked into the it and the numbers are, underwhelming but prepared to be surprised.

I do noticed that the same four countries everytime.

I think you should knowthat fandom has similar feature but only the bureaucrats and admins can access it.

Maybe there are nameless lurkers that are perverts.

@Weinhart

I've seen pages some Japanese porn pages get heavily edited or outright deleted by FANDOM if something crosses that certain line. What that line is, I sure as hell don't know but I'm aware that exists. Think this paraphrased quote from a Supreme Court Justice might explain this the best, (I don't what "hard-core pornography" is but) "I know it when I see it". Still, you have to keep in mind the admins here allow and FANDOM allows don't quite match up at times.

TL;DR version

F*** Around and Find Out.

About ATT, the gatekeeping does seem a big part why the wiki doesn't seem to have a lot of editors. Oddly enough, the gatekeeping at Tv Tropes doesn't seem as harsh.

The atmosphere here feels like the old Tv Tropes in the 2000's. It's just doesn't seem to be a strong vision what the site should be but any user can put more or less most work pages that aren't in Tv Tropes. With this site being on FANDOM, you can't just post "graphic" adult works. It was to be worded in such a way that doesn't get edited or deleted by FANDOM or it's bots. Even with that, we're in a wiki farm a lot fan wiki's, I mean it's a way to get around Tv Tropes CC. Still, think it's a good idea at least say where you got the information and use <ref> tags and put some effort in editing the text and adding to it.

Another criticism about ATT forgot mention earlier is the wiki seems to hate ToCs (Table of Contents) for some reason and ToCs make it easier to more around the page . I feel at times I'm working a web 1.0 website. The people at ATT seem obsessed with the TVT aesthetic a bit too much to the point of user unfriendliness. This also happens here but varies depending on the page.

I used to edit at Tv Tropes but I forgot my PW and didn't care to get a new one at that point.

It's issues of Tv Tropes are well known enough but social media sites more likely to talk about TvT drama would be kiwi farms, ED, and Something Awful forums. Those sites don't exactly have the best of reputations but those also have ex-tropers with an axe to grind. I do recall there are youtube videos explaining why Tv Tropes is bad.

Funny thing the current CC license is that Gus grandfathered in is that some troper thinks it's a great idea post their fanfiction and writes tropes for it. CC license forbids straight copying and pasting the content. The troper has to rewrite the article or at least the tropes, when posts that somewhere else.

About All the Tropes, I got annoyed with the gatekeeping. Sure they want to keep out trolls and weirdos like Nate. Still, it's little sketchy on how many good faith edits any user has to make before an admin let's them edit without any user edits "curated" by a mod. I've done at least 25 edit and I don't think anything has changed. Then they complain about why they don't have more people editing. Gee I wonder why.

You might have a point there, I do recall any talk about forks promptly disappears. Still, going back to the god emperors of tropers to get verbally abused doesn't like an action of a sane person.

Tv Tropes also has serious case of "Cult of Personality" with the mods and certain tropers. It's just sad seeing tropers kowtowing to mods with a low tolerance to minor infractions.

To be fair, Tv Tropes does have point but the moderation staff there are just got heavy handed over time. Which is interesting, the founder Gus/Fast Eddie was Libertarian. That is he was pretty hands off for much of time, until something needed fixing. I've been there since 2009 or 2010 and I've seen the changes

About "copying" a wiki. That's called forking a wiki and despite what Tv Tropes would like you to believe, it's common to move content from wiki to another. But only of the if wikis have the same Creative Commons license.

I'll name few examples of this:

When WOW wiki (one of the largest wikis on Fandom) decided to move from Fandom/Wikia to another server. The WOW admins were offered privileges by Fandom to stay but refused the offers and left anyway. This annoyed the admins of the other wikis who heard about the offers and decided leave too.

Another time, when Fandom bought Gamepedia. The gaming wikis that left Fandom for various reason didn't want to be a part of Fandom again. So they exported their wikis to another server using the Special:Export page.

I do have criticisms about Tropedia and All the Tropes but I thought this reply was too long and cut it short to just my criticism about Tv Tropes.

I took a look at both pages. The one "wrong" grammar in the title is the bigger page. I suggest taking the content from the bigger page and add it the smaller page. This is VERY common too bad work to convert the tv trope pages to mediawiki standards.

About, moving pages all it does renames the page and copies the contents and leaves a #REDIRECT [[<newpage>]] (this part is optional) on the previous page.

I've given this some thought. I think one can edit the spoiler template's background-color to transparent. Why transparent? I suspect most people read the wiki on "light theme" and a lot don't even about the "light theme" and "dark theme" buttons on top of the pages. By setting the spoiler tempate's background-color to transparent, it looks white in the "light theme" but switch to "dark theme" the background-color changes but the font which is set to "white" becomes visible. I've some looking around spoiler template and it's lock so that won't work.

However, I discovered another template that might work, the color template. It's very similar to the spoiler template just with more customization options. One can customize the background-color and font color. I have to mess around with it in a sandbox and using the light theme and dark theme buttons to see if that works.

We are in a wiki farm that hosts a lot of fan wikis. Even if you don't use the info in the fan wikis, they're often have links to the company pages, links to the creators pages or blogs, or IMDB pages.

I'm not well versed about the politics about who's running these wikis that much but I've been here ever since this incarnation of this wiki was the Tropes Mirror Wiki. Heck I was even an admin here years ago.

To make a point here, is that there's no unifying "vision" that guides the powers that be around here as Kjnoren pointed out a while ago. It's more like variety of people with their own agenda's that sometimes clash. It's just like how Tv Tropes works, just less of overbearing mods and even the admins here have to answer to Fandom staff. Still with even this, this feels like more like the old Tv Tropes was.

The only examples I can think ST:TNG era with the hologram characters. The Doctor is one such example, he can only exist in sick bay. They eventually find a way for him exist outside of sick bay.

From what I gathered, the new owners of TvT consulted a lawyer about the copyright Gus grandfathered in and according to Geth, they backpedaled so fast it left skidmarks.

My take is that all images in the articles might be under Free Use on the logic they don't own or have exclusive use because tropers got the images from somewhere else. The exceptions I think of is images made for TvT like logo. Badges that used to be in the wiki seems to be in a grey area.

The text, according to Geth is that pages you created can be imported. Which for me is a bit of nonissue since I stopped editing before time Brettlabs exported the database. That, and I forgot my password and really didn't care the shitshow that happening at the time. Anyway, if you can't copy and paste text you didn't edit, the solution fairly simple just go to the other fan wikis on fandom or write something

Yeah, I get first hand the coding problems of this wiki. "website" template is broken because of the missing LUA module. Because of that, I can't fix it. So I just made a workaround that doesn't use the LUA module and it works.

Also, the premade template for making a "creator" page is something... It looks like overstuffed with entries for musicians, artists, and other creative people. I guess it's okay but it seems to be user unfriendly due to that the fact the user has to edit out unneeded info while adding info about , say an actor, and editing out discography, unless said actor also sings or makes comedy albums, like Cheech and Chong.