Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Force/YMMV

YMMVs introduced by Force:

• Complete Monster: The Huckebein, who kill countless people without feeling any remorse. In-universe, the characters do not have the same sympathy for them that they did for other villains.
  • Given Vandine Corporation has been confirmed to have given them jobs, we can safely add them to this list. And that's not counting the experiments which usually ended in either And I Must Scream or Runaway Eclipse Drivers.
  • Cypha.
• Contested Sequel: Largely because of the Darker and Edgier atmosphere, move away from Magical Girl tropes, new main character, and largely unsympathetic villains who defeat and severely wound Signum and Hayate.
  • A good number of people have pointed to apparent lapses in the worldbuilding and raw writing as a sign of a general drop in quality, but this opinion is far from universal enough to qualify for Sequelitis.
• Creator's Pet: During the first chapters of FORCE Tohma is introduced to us without much backstory and the fanbase had mixed opinions about him, then he suddenly knows Subaru and after a couple of chapters we've informed right of the bat that he knows and is liked by almost the entire old cast without very little explanation or background whatsoever.
  • In interviews the author has seemed genuinely shocked that people do not find the Huckebein sympathetic or likeable, particularly Cypha.
• Ensemble Darkhorse:
  • Isis seems to have gotten quite a few fans so far, unlike pretty much anyone else introduced in Force.
  • Arnage also has some love, unlike almost all the other members of her family, probably because she has yet to send someone to the emergency room.
• Evil Is Sexy: Arnage, which is the other reason for the above.
  • Curren has started to catch the attention of part of the fanbase just because of this.
• Fanon Discontinuity: A lot of it.
• Funny Moments: Wendi and Teana's response to Touma and Lily staying in the same room.
• Generic Doomsday Villain: The Huckebein, so far.
• Jerkass Woobie: The Huckebein may have been meant to be seen as this, but their attitude towards killing, lack of redeeming features and little emphasis on their plight prevents them from being sympathetic.
• Jumping the Shark/Ruined FOREVER: Force is the season with the biggest amount of backlash to date. It elicited this reaction for having a heterosexual male lead and supposedly dropping the magical girl tropes. Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffering Badass Decay, starting with Signum.
• Moral Event Horizon: Cypha admitting to killing dozens of civilians and treating it casually.
• Replacement Scrappy: Tohma has drawn a lot of fire for being a very typical, male, angst-ridden main character with a Story-Breaker Power pulled out of nowhere that can beat out the established and well-developed main characters of previous seasons with little effort.
  • The Huckebein in general have been accused of being a Replacement Scrappy for the A's-era Wolkenritter, as they hit many of the same general tropes excluding motivation.
    • Being made even more obvious since most of the Huckebein's victims so far are members of the Yagami Family with only a single exception.
• The Scrappy:
  • Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing Signum her first real defeat, and for being kind of a bitch about it. When it was announced that Gears of Destiny will feature Force characters, many were hoping Cypha would be included, so they can beat the crap out of her.
  • Curren probably beat Precia's record for instant hatedom, considering the chapter with her first appearance wasn't even translated yet and people already wanted her to die. For Twilight haters, her name being the same as a certain sparkly vampire is just the icing on the cake. The reason? Debuting by instantly impaling Hayate in the back.
• Scrappy Weapon: Most people don't really like the AEC Equipment much, since their main purpose in the story seems to be preventing the heroes from using magic in a story and setting about magic, and they show no signs of going away anytime soon.
  • Lots of people however like the AEC Equipment simply because they look Badass.
  • And many more hate those even more because they didn't even manage to keep up with the villains.
    • Made even worse by the fact they don't even create awesome energy beams either.
• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Tohma became a fugitive from the TSAB by breaking into the lab, stealing the Divider, and escaping with Lily. This might have led to Subaru weighing her bond with Tohma against her duty to arrest him, as well as Tohma fleeing from the Bureau while having the Sympathetic POV, but Tohma eventually loses control of himself to the Eclipse, and it becomes about having to try to get through to him, rather than him trying to protect Lily and escape the Bureau.
  • Force in general could have been presented straight as about the conflict between the refusal of most of the main characters to kill and the fact that the only solution to the Huckebein appears to be killing them.
  • Even when Signum's downfall was an extremely crushing event it also opened interesting possibilities for her character. like exploring her mind during a Near-Death Experience, having her dealing with a painfull recovering, making her remembering something from her past through the beating, having her dealing with her rediscovered vulnerability or the fact that she probably won't be able to protect anyone again, having her exploring the limits of her sword-style in order to discover an ultimate technique, etc.. Instead, they wasted all those interesting routes in favour of having her rise up from the bed like nothing and copying Nanoha's trend of working depite being injured. Hopefully fan fiction won't waste this gold mine.
• Viewer Gender Confusion: Until his profile came out, nearly everyone was convinced that Fortis was female. With his large eyes, dress-like robe, and feminine hairstyle, it's an easy mistake to make. Ironically, fortis can be translated from Latin as "manly".
• Villain Sue: If you have to name names... the Huckebein, of course.
  • Overlaps with God Mode Sue. The villains are insanely powerful and the hero's have been forced to use forbidden technology to even have an effect on them in theory. In practice it doesn't seem to work.