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A creator tends to get wrapped up in their own work. So do the work's fans. This can lead to a clash of opinions, and after a while, it's likely one of three things will happen:
- The creator gets utterly fed up with the Fan Dumb, and decides to let them have it with both barrels.
- The creator can't understand why people are criticizing his work, and decides to take it out on those insolent mouth breathers instead.
- A mixture of the two.
Thus is the Straw Fan created. A Straw Fan is a character or plot meant as a not-so-thinly veiled attack on the fans for their complaints about the work. It can be either perfectly justified or the sign of an ego run rampant. Take your pick. Or maybe the creator has trouble telling the difference between legitimate criticism and Fan Dumb or Hate Dumb (or is just too lazy to tell the difference).
See also Loony Fan. Sometimes can cross into Affectionate Parody territory if the fans are good-humoured (and the Straw Fan similarly affectionate); likewise, an Affectionate Parody of one's fandom can drift here. Expect this person to say "I'm your biggest fan!" at least once. Also expect this person to embody at least one or more of the characteristics of Fan Dumb.
Compare with Take That, Audience! and Straw Critic.
Comic Books[]
- Although there is more to the character, Superboy-Prime from The DCU. Certain fans tend to focus on nothing but this one aspect of his character, largely because it sometimes reaches a very mean-spirited pitch.
- Also he gets saddled with some hilariously bad dialogue. Which may be part of the satire.
- The really amusing thing is that while DCU writers use Superboy Prime as a Straw Fan, they also use him as a crutch for their own Running the Asylum tendencies. Anything they didn't like as readers is often changed or undone as a result of his punching the reality wall... so it's sort of a case of "Well it's okay when we do it!"
- Wonder Man has turned into Marvel's most explicit version of Superboy Prime.
- When Peter Milligan relaunched X-Force as X-Statix following the death of fan favorite Edie Sawyer, the new book opened with an arc about a reality-altering fan boy who couldn't get over the fact that they'd "gotten rid of" Edie and was holding his town hostage. However, not only does he ultimately become a sympathetic character, he joins the team and in their desire to not let him down the group actually gels somewhat for the first time.
- Dan DiDio recently created one for a specific fan. And set him up as a supervillain, so he could get beaten up. Oh, and made sure to make him Camp Gay. Peter David did the same thing in YOUNG JUSTICE #13 to retaliate against a complaint he'd received about issue 7, only the fan was made into a cowardly bystander who made stupid speeches rather than a supervillain. Parts of the bystander's dialogue were taken from an online argument with the fan in question virtually word for word.
- Jhonen Vasquez wrote a comic where he is confronted by five stereotypes of his weirdest, creepiest, or most annoying kinds of fans and must fight them all to the death when they merge into a bloated abomination.
Film[]
- The entire plot of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back involves the title characters trying to sabotage a movie based on them to stop a flood of half-wit internet criticism. Once they receive a large cash payout for the film, they literally track down every last internet troll and beat them up. This was in part based on a Flame War between creator Kevin Smith and fans over the movie Magnolia (referenced when a particularly inarticulate fan has the screenname "MagnoliaFan").
Literature[]
- Misery, both the book and the film, took fan obsession to creepy scary heights in Annie Wilkes. Note, however, that King has referred to Annie as actually being a metaphor for his drug addiction. In the novel, Paul remembers a slightly more realistic fan of his work (who limited herself to re-furnishing her house to match the Chastain household from his novels, followed by a slightly disturbing barrage of fan mail), which helps him at least understand what kind of mindset he's dealing with.
- The Plague Dogs contains a scene where a minor character criticizes Watership Down, the author's previous work, which seems to exist for just this reason.
- In Babysitters Club Mallory Pike, #1 Fan, Mallory is this for her favorite YA author. First she sends her letter after letter after letter, growing angry when she doesn't respond to it personally, tracks her down to her home and makes herself the author's assistant...and then later gets angry at her because not all the events in her FICTION series actually happened to her in real life, and thought her a bad writer and a liar for it.
- Claire Strupke in the YA novel Ship It comes dangerously close to one of these about her OTP from the book's obvious Supernatural Expy. She's a Tumblr BNF obsessed with her ship becoming canon, cries her heart out when one of the actors says it won't be, then harasses him and the show's staff to get her way. She's also a queer teenage girl in denial about said queerness, which may tie into her obsession (her using the ship as a way to avoid dealing with her own sexuality).
- Averted with Cath in Fangirl. She has the earmarks of one (shy, pale, anxious, lost in her own world and totally obsessed with her OTP) but the focal point of the story is her learning not to use fandom as a crutch as she gets to know her roommate, her roommate's ex, and enjoy life outside her dorm room.
Live Action TV[]
- The Doctor Who serial "The Greatest Show in the Galaxy" had a whiny, nerdy character named Whizzkid, who kept gushing about the eponymous circus, though he said he knew it wasn't as good as it used to be, before getting horribly murdered.
- "Love and Monsters" also has elements of this, though more of the Affectionate Parody variety. Specifically, the human LINDA members were nice, friendly fans who hung out and had fun, while the Abzorbaloff was the Fan Dumb.
- Also the "Time Crash" mini-episode, where the Fifth Doctor has a My Future Self and Me moment with Ascended Fanboy David Tennant as his tenth incarnation.
5th Doctor: "You're...oh no..." |
- "Planet of the Dead" features Professor Malcolm Taylor, who is also firmly in the Affectionate Parody camp. One particularly nice moment features the Doctor and Malcolm reminiscing about their favourite adventure from the Doctor's old "UNIT files".
- Monk had Sarah Silverman on as a fan who freaked out because her favorite TV show had changed its theme song. This was a jab at the fandom complaining about how the show had switched from its first-season Instrumental Theme Tune to a Randy Newman composition for the second. She later showed up and kept referring to Monk's cases by the episode names, which confused Monk. She was also a jab at some Monk-slash-Natalie fanfiction, as well as a few other types of Monk fanfiction.
- The Fanfiction jab went something like this:
Sarah Silverman: Mr. Monk, shoot him! |
- Smallville had an episode called "Action", where a fan of a comic book was sabotaging the set of a film adaptation because he didn't think they were doing it right.
- In Season 8, after many years of saying "No, the Chlois Theory will NOT come true," the Smallville showrunners finally decided to have some fun spoofing this fan theory in the episode "Hex," to the annoyance of the Chlois theorists...but the utter delight of everyone else in the fan base, who were equally tired of the Chlois theory.
- As odd as it sounds, The West Wing had an example of this. Following a semi-publicized incident where Aaron Sorkin got in a fight with his fans (and a fellow writer) on Television Without Pity, Sorkin wrote an episode called "The U.S. Poet Laureate", where Josh gets in a scuffle with a fan site devoted to him and the incident gets publicized. He refers to the site webmaster as "a dictatorial leader who [he's] sure wears a muu-muu and chain-smokes Parliaments." The episode got bonus ego points for having the U.S. Poet Laureate explain that her works meant to serve as a distraction, not to make any higher point. Of course, considering the real life site's policies about criticism on their forums, Sorkin's probably not all that wrong. It doesn't lessen how utterly petty the stunt was, but he's not wrong.
- Possibly another example when an intern wears a Star Trek badge to work. Josh tells Donna to tell her to lose it. The intern says she's going to appeal to her boss and that there's nothing wrong with Star Trek. Josh says he's a fan, but then starts listing traits of Fan Dumb with no evidence and accuses her of having a fetish.
- Even more annoying, Josh then tells the Star Trek fan "I'm a Mets fan, but you don't see me bringing my hobby to work"...which is nothing but Blatant Lies. We see Josh musing about the Mets and watching games in his office all. the. time. When he's supposed to be working. And yet, he freaks out just because in an intern in a back office wears a small, innocuous Star Trek pin that doesn't distract her from her work at all. Obviously, as great a writer as Aaron Sorkin is, it seems like Josh just became his mouthpiece to be a Fan Hater of any devoted fans of any franchise.
- Possibly another example when an intern wears a Star Trek badge to work. Josh tells Donna to tell her to lose it. The intern says she's going to appeal to her boss and that there's nothing wrong with Star Trek. Josh says he's a fan, but then starts listing traits of Fan Dumb with no evidence and accuses her of having a fetish.
- Those Two Guys on The Sean Cullen Show, who actually sat in the actual audience and complained about how improbable the plots were. Considering that one such episode featured a giant squid invading the basement while Sean took lessons in self-defense that involved avenging the death of his watermelon by beating up an ax-wielding "blue guy" and fighting off an entire band of ninjas, and then his evil Germanic Mad Scientist neighbour Brainwashed William Shatner into attacking Sean before, but then Shatner got attacked by the squid and they both fell into a wormhole, and then Sean sang a song about it all while the blue guy danced... considering all that, complaining about the logic of the show was a fruitless pursuit.
- On Lexx, the Flanderization of 790 into an epic Yandere who threw himself relentlessly at a disinterested Kai and was completely Ax Crazy toward anyone else who showed Kai any attention was an obvious (and perhaps over-the-top) Take That to Kai/Michael McManus's more, ahem, overwrought fans.
- Done REALLY blatantly in the Supernatural season four episode "The Monster at the End of This Book," where the Winchester brothers discover that a series of pulp novels (titled, you guessed it, Supernatural) has been chronicling their adventures; Sam goes on the internet and discovers their fandom. In addition to Sam's pointed comment that "For fans, they sure do complain a lot," the boys are horrified to learn about all the Shipping the series has apparently spawned.
Dean: What's a slash fan? |
- Read more.
- Don't forget Chuck's dialog at the end of season 5:
"Endings are hard. Any chapped-ass monkey with a keyboard can poop out a beginning, but endings are impossible. You try to tie up every loose end, but you never can. The fans are always gonna bitch. There's always gonna be holes. And since it's the ending, it's all supposed to add up to something. I'm telling you, they're a raging pain in the ass." |
- And then Becky, the Wincest-writing fangirl is introduced in Season 5. Then Sam and Dean go to a Supernatural convention...
- The WWE pulled this with The Miz, who was used as a Take That against fans who hated John Cena. He would mercilessly abuse Cena and the fans week after week, trying to goad the fan favorite into a match, and when Cena finally did take notice when they had been booked for a match Mix nearly wet himself, before being completely dominated. This would occur several more times before Miz's push.
- This is done a lot in the ICarly episode "i Start a Fan War".
Music[]
- Cracker's hit "Get Off This" was basically one long Take That from lead singer David Lowery to the fans of his old group, Camper Van Beethoven, who accused him of selling out. It opens up with Lowery characterizing said fans as "cats with holey jeans, dirty hair and tittie-rings."
- Parodied with Dethklok's "Fan Song", which spends three minutes informing their fans how much they suck.
- Pet Shop Boys's single "Yesterday, When I was Mad" is a deadpan snark to fans who proclaim they understand the band's message more than any other people. The band is driven to such desperation as to:
Admitting, I don't believe |
- Mansun's 'hidden track' on their Attack of the Grey Lantern album, called "An Open-Letter to the Lyrical Trainspotter" was a piss-take of the sort of fans who would analyse their lyrics looking for meaning. Ironically, this was a song where the lyrics had a definite meaning and message:
"They lyrics aren't supposed to mean that much/They're just a vehicle for a lovely voice" |
- Tool's "Hooker With A Penis" mocks fans for claiming that they have "sold out to the Man".
- Eminem's "Stan" features an obsessive fan who takes Eminem's songs way, way, too seriously.
- Nirvana's "In Bloom" is about... people who don't realize that "In Bloom" is about them.
- Marilyn Manson covered the unsavory (er, more unsavory) side of their fanbase in "This is the New Shit," as quoted on this wiki under Rated "M" for Money. In brief, it's about the fans who don't even try to understand what the songs are about, just cheering the "sex sex sex," violence, and rebellion.
- Ween has a song they only perform live called "Leave Deaner Alone" (warning: lyrics very NSFW), a song in which Dean Ween sings about his disdain for Ween's more obnoxious fans. Despite this, however, Deaner does seem to have an appreciation for most of his other fans because he keeps in touch with them on his blog when he's not touring and even favorited a couple Ween fan covers and fan-shot live bootleg videos on his Youtube channel.
Theater[]
- In Assassins, Sam Byck rants into a tape recorder on how desperately the world needs Silly Love Songs, and that he's going to fly a plane into the White House to show how much he cares. The message is ostensibly directed at Leonard Bernstein, but the lyrics he quotes are by Stephen Sondheim, composer of Assassins... Similarly, there's the host of art critics in Sunday in The Park With George who complain that artist George's work is growing stale and repetitive. Note that Sunday ... was the first show Sondheim wrote after the original production of Merrily We Roll Along was derided by critics who said that Sondheim's long-term partnership with Hal Prince had outstayed its welcome. Both the Sunday ... and Merrily ... examples are more Straw Critics.
Video Games[]
- The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim all have M'aiq[1] the Liar who makes jokes about, rebuts, and insults fan complaints about elements which were not included in the game, some of which are in past installments.
- The Puyo Puyo series had Choppun, an Affectionate Parody of the more diehard fans of the series. Choppun, is a guy who Cosplays as Arle Nadja, except Choppun has a paper bag over his head. He's also crossdressing, since Arle Nadja is the female main character of the series.
- Fallout Tactics had an old man that peed in the main character's empty Nuka-Cola bottles. He was named after one of the (now-ex) admins of No Mutants Allowed, the Fallout forum that defines Unpleasable Fanbase for gamers.
- Fallout 2 had the "Unwashed Villagers fighting a spammer" rare encounter, where the aforementioned Villagers beat up an annoying spammer, Grim, who keeps whining and making absurd suggestions for the game. ("I want a tank!") Both the Villagers and the spammer are based on real-life forum members from back in the day, and the Unwashed Villagers were known for their positive contributions, while Grim was... not.
- Pokémon has been doing this since the Gold/Silver days. The Pokemaniac and Pokefan trainer types (among others) are usually given dialogue that cements them as parodies of some of the franchise's more unhinged fans. The most recent games took this a step further by including a class of young trainers who all cosplay as Pikachu, and claim that their lifelong dream is to grow up to become one. Paul from the animated series may also count as a jab at the franchise's Stop Having Fun Guys. It's backfired in that case, though, as the SHFG have taken Paul up as a Draco in Leather Pants and the patron saint of Pokemon training done "right". However this didn't stop Paul from becoming The Scrappy with most fans.
- Francis from Super Paper Mario.
- Many players of the Team Fortress 2 fanbase were very vocal about just how awful it was that the developers were putting all their effort into releasing totally useless cosmetic items in lieu of actual content. Valve released a blog post which allowed the fanbase to understand what really goes on behind the scenes. This quickly turns into more of a shot at themselves though, with the poor fanboy being Only Sane Man in an office filled with cosmetic-obsessed, hat-loving lunatics.
- World of Warcraft includes a quest in the revamped, post-Cataclysm Azeroth in the undead area where the PC takes on the role of a questgiver and hands out three quests to various computer-programmed NPC players. All three are digs at various groups of fans: the "Kingslayer" (character who killed the Lich King) who can't play, the total noob and "Johnny Awesome", decked out in full heirloom equipment (items which can only be bought by people who had a max-level character in the Wrath of the Lich King expansion) and riding Sparklepony. All three then make an appearance in the Hillsbrad area of the game as mercenary computer-controlled aides - or rescue objects - to the PC.
Webcomics[]
- Pv P shows how much it cares.
- Bob and George author Dave Anez used an obscure minor character for this purpose in this strip and the next, in order to hang a lampshade on a small plothole he didn't care about. (One of the comic's running jokes was Dave's insistence that there were no plotholes; if you thought you saw one, you'd find out sooner or later why it made sense. And indeed, he always went to great lengths to close the big ones. This wasn't a big one.)
- At least half of the humor in Shortpacked comes from various Straw Fans of the various franchises and hobbies he follows. Some are recurring characters, some only show up once, but it's clear that Willis has an axe to grind with certain sections of fandoms in general. Sometimes certain fans in particular. When someone's been annoying Willis on his toy message boards, he's not very subtle about doing a comic about them. (The "I knew about that!" guy strip being the best example.) Some of the strips are near-verbatim from discussions at the Allspark (Transformers) message boards or similar. Willis even occasionally parodies his own fan madness.
- Likewise, the Insecticomics often uses interactions between the Transformers and either a fanboy or a fangirl (or occasionally both) to deliver a Take That to the more irritating ideologies of the Transformers fandom.
- Davan and Jason's meeting the catgirls of Something Positive, complete with long rant by authorial stand-in. Randy probably just wants to scare away the 'bad' audience (as opposed to the good audience, which he's adamant is most of the readers). Milholland also created a strip in Super Stupor about a superhero whose power is essentially retconning, and used that to take a jab at comic book creators who try to force the comics to be like they were when they were young, Joe. The strip also decried people who get their opinions from a site called TV Tropes.com (most likely a knock-off of our great and glorious wiki) rather than forming their own. There was another poking fun at some of Harry Potter's older fans taking things too seriously (Based on a real incident about a midnight release costume contest)
- Broken Plot Device has the "Idea Man", an obese penguin wearing kitty ears and a matching tail who, as the name implies, is the sole source of weird, offensive, and downright perverted ideas for the character's in Lizardbeth's in-comic comic.
- This comic of Our Little Adventure where they fight a troll who accused the comic of being an Order of the Stick ripoff.
Web Original[]
- The Nostalgia Critic's "most obnoxious fan", Douchey McNitpick, in his "Top 11 F*ck Ups" video. The Critic has stated that he doesn't mind fans sending him criticism and complaints, just that they shouldn't be obnoxious about it. As such, Douchey is still a Straw Fan, but rather nicer than some examples. Douchey gets his revenge in the "Willy Wonka vs. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" video. It's not many creators who'd give their Straw Fans that kind of satisfaction.
- In "Next Top 11 F*ck Ups", he was less obnoxious, shutting up whenever the Critic yelled at him, and more pathetic, being shown to live with his mother, is hinted at being a crossdresser, and has masturbated to pictures of the Green M&M.
- He also got some satisfaction in the "You're A Dirty Rotten Bastard" special, where Spoony is The Nostalgia Critic instead and Douchey adores him. The real Critic apparently just sucks that much.
- He plays the same when appearing The Nostalgia Chick's review of The Fifth Element, giving obnoxious voice to fans saying she should stick to reviewing girly stuff and complaining over her definition of a MacGuffin, before telling her "I'm still going to mastubate to your picture tonight!"
- Douchey has shown up twice on Atop the Fourth Wall. Once to deride Linkara for mistakes he's made (Linkara later used magic to teleport to his house and beat him) and again for calling him a rip-off for doing an episode on comic book advertisements.
- Happens a lot in the Homestar Runner universe, to the point where one could say half of the recent content is thoroughly dedicated to this trope. They even made an entire skit discussing fandoms in general, and, while their attacks weren't all directed at their own Fan Dumb, a good deal of it applies.
- Due to Matt Wilson's Creator Backlash, Bonus Stage had moments where he really hated his fans, especially the wiki. The greatest example is probably in episode 80, "The Terror From Beyond Imageshack", in which a wide variety of actual art from fans were made into characters and mocked for their inability to make sense or original content. They were eventually all removed, except for "the Bonus Stage Wiki Guy" (who was admittedly a comedically accurate portrayal).
Bonus Stage Wiki Guy: "And here Phil is referring to the Bonus Stage wiki. Or he may be referring to the Korean MMORPG "Wiki", which was canned because its graphics were eerily similar to Zelda. Happy birthday, Phil!" |
- In The Angry Video Game Nerd's review of the Atari 2600 game based on the The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, a character shows up who starts harassing the Nerd with "did you know" questions that he's heard before, questions about when stuff is coming out, and requests for advice on how to create a ripoff series.
Western Animation[]
- The New Kids on the Block cartoon, of all shows, had a character named Fanny. She and her friends were the very personification of NKOTB Fan Dumb of the time. Mind you, the only audience for this program were those very same obsessed New Kids fangirls, so we challenge our readers to find a more oddly-placed Take That. The various series and movies starring and Not Quite Starring The Beatles also had mobs of screaming, insane fangirls - the thing is, none of them were established recurring characters. Most famously, A Hard Day's Night opens with the Beatles in full flight from a mob of their fans. The scene in A Hard Day's Night is actually a combination of Truth in Television and a subversion of this, as most of that scene was an actual stampede of fangirls which the quick-thinking Richard Lester told his crew to film.
- The Simpsons's Comic Book Guy: Worst. Example. Ever. Though he was originally just the standard Nerd, when the show crossed into Long Runner territory, he would often mock the large section of the fanbase that think the show isn't good anymore, but still watch it religiously anyway. CBG's catch phrase actually originated from a usenet post which complained about an episode from Season Four. To put things in perspective, Season 4 of the Simpsons is now generally considered to be nearly, if not completely, flawless.
- In another episode, JK Rowling expresses her annoyance of fans asking about the ending to the Harry Potter series:
Rowling: (rolls eyes) He grows up and marries you! Is that what you want to hear? |
- Freakazoid had Fanboy, who could only be escaped by directing him to a different franchise to obsess over.
- Animaniacs had the "Please, Please, Please Get a Life Foundation", a support group for overly-obsessed fans, particularly of the Internet variety. What makes it even more disturbing is that it was largely based on a real guy, one Dennis Falk, the production team had encountered while working on Tiny Toon Adventures. Not only that, it was significantly toned down from the real thing. Tress MacNeille, Babs' voice actress had to cancel several convention appearances near his hometown because he had sent several very creepy fanletters that gave them reason to believe he would try to rape her.
- The Fillmore episode "The Unseen Reflection" featured some fans of a young-adult sci-fi fantasy book series who took it far, far too seriously. This particular episode is a good skewering of fans and fandoms in general, complete with Fandom Rivalry and the MST3K Mantra.
- An episode of Robot Chicken featured a fat nerd complaining about inaccuracies in the show.
- Total Drama Island:
- Sierra knows your dental records.
- Kelsey, a fangirl from the 2nd aftermath show of Action, who has a Trent doll was actually inspired by a real life fangirl who had a doll of Cody (which Sierra coincidentally has a obsessive stalker crush on).
- Irving from Phineas and Ferb, though he's more of the "Affectionate Parody" variety.
- In an episode of Ben 10 Alien Force, Ben mentions the flaws of Sumo Slammers: Hero Generation, a sequel to the Ben 10 Show Within a Show Sumo Slammers. Not only do they sound suspiciously like fan complaints about Alien Force, but "Ben 10: Hero Generation" was Alien Force's working title (meaning this doubles as a Development Gag).
- The two-part episode of Justice League focusing on expies of '60s superheroes is surprisingly respectful to both the characters and their fans, but it also argues that their time is gone. The villain turns out to be a Reality Warper who couldn't accept that his heroes had died, and reanimated them to fight endlessly in a perpetually static world. Ultimately, they themselves fight and kill him to end the cycle and allow change.
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